Damage step's mythical "Substep 4.5"

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    Damage step's mythical "Substep 4.5"

    Post  Reaper of the Cards on Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:08 am

    Admins only (current and ex), there is no point in reading it otherwise.

    This is not an official term, but it is used to describe certain monsters effects' activations that happen between Substep 4 and Substep 5 of the damage step. The different effects that activate there are ATK modifiers (Honest) and Battle Damage modifiers (Kuriboh, Desparate Tag).

    A quick sum is that if a monster is attacked by Doomcaliber Knight and the player who receives the attack drops Honest, Doomcaliber negates Honest and the battle never happens, no LP damage is inflicted. This is because there has been no Damage Calculation, and damage is not calculated because Doomcaliber removed itself off the field before the battle damage is determined and attacks are compared.

    If Doomcaliber (or any other monster) attacks and a Kuriboh is dropped though, Doomcaliber will negate it, but Doomcaliber is considered having attacked, and Battle damage is inflicted normally. This is because the attack was already in the process of calculating battle damage. This also applies with Suijin, another Battle damage modifier.

    Also, only 1 chain is allowed in Substep 4, but practically 2 chains can be made, one with an ATK modifier (like honest) and another with a Battle damage modifier (like kuriboh).

    This "problem" only applies to those cards and no one else. KONAMI's rulings for the damage step are not adequate to explain such situations so a "legendary" Substep 4.5 has been created in order to justify the existanse of 2 chains in a place where it was supposed to be only one.

    Links for a more detailed approach are here:

    http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=831756
    http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=808410
    http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=741636
    http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=808053


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    Re: Damage step's mythical "Substep 4.5"

    Post  A7 on Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:50 am

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    Re: Damage step's mythical "Substep 4.5"

    Post  Nemessie on Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:37 am

    Do other admins know that? In a similar case, will an admin say the same thing if he/she is called in one of my battles?
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    Post  Reaper of the Cards on Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:25 pm

    Divinity wrote:Do other admins know that? In a similar case, will an admin say the same thing if he/she is called in one of my battles?

    You will never, EVER, get that question in any of your battles. Trust me.


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    Re: Damage step's mythical "Substep 4.5"

    Post  Nemessie on Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:21 am

    Do you mean that every admin knows that?
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    Post  A7 on Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:17 am

    He means the almost NO Admin knows that...


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    Re: Damage step's mythical "Substep 4.5"

    Post  Reaper of the Cards on Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:28 am

    Ha! Almost every admin knows that. The old ones that is. Newly added ones, no, they do not know it.


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    Re: Damage step's mythical "Substep 4.5"

    Post  Nemessie on Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:00 am

    About that. If someone of us meets a not-so-worthy admin what do we do? How can we prove to him stuff like that?

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